And, as I know Ken knows, sometimes language criticizing Israel is anti-Zionist but not antisemitic.
Contra Stefanik, the GOP chuds other than Massie, and half of House Democrats, and thus contra HR 894, anti-Zionism is not antisemitism. Also contra them, the IHRA definition of antisemitism is NOT "widely accepted."
And, as I know Ken knows, sometimes language criticizing Israel is anti-Zionist but not antisemitic.
Contra Stefanik, the GOP chuds other than Massie, and half of House Democrats, and thus contra HR 894, anti-Zionism is not antisemitism. Also contra them, the IHRA definition of antisemitism is NOT "widely accepted."
Don't like it?
Talk to Phil Weiss at Mondoweiss. Talk to Norman Finkelstein. Talk to Raz Segal.
Or, if you don't like those options, either? Talk to the hand.
I agree that antizionism isn't necessarily antisemitism. That said, if there are poster children for the proposition that antizionism IS antisemitism, their names are Phil Weiss, Norman Finkelstein and Raz Segal. I can't imagine more self-defeating support for your argument.
I believe "self hating Jew" is the more technical term. I don't know about Dr. Marvin, but, yes, I've heard and read that phrase used in recent months more than once.
I called them neither antisemites nor self-hating Jews. I assert only that what they espouse is antisemitic. One needn't be a bigot to disseminate bigotry. To me that's an important distinction, but if it's too nuanced for you, fine, let's say for the sake of argument I called them antisemites. What's so implausible about antisemitic Jews? Do you dismiss the possibility of black racists? Muslim Islamophobes? Women misogynists? Gay homophobes? Because what I find hard to believe is that anyone who's paying attention hasn't seen all of those.
Yes, good examples, all such people exist. But if you're frequently turning up Jews who are, according to your definition, antisemitic, this could also be a sign that your definition of antisemitism is overly broad.
What Steve B. said. No, I don't dismiss any of these ideas. I do dismiss the idea that the trio of people I mentioned are espousing antisemitism. Anti-Zionism, yes. Antisemitism, no.
And, as I know Ken knows, sometimes language criticizing Israel is anti-Zionist but not antisemitic.
Contra Stefanik, the GOP chuds other than Massie, and half of House Democrats, and thus contra HR 894, anti-Zionism is not antisemitism. Also contra them, the IHRA definition of antisemitism is NOT "widely accepted."
Don't like it?
Talk to Phil Weiss at Mondoweiss. Talk to Norman Finkelstein. Talk to Raz Segal.
Or, if you don't like those options, either? Talk to the hand.
I agree that antizionism isn't necessarily antisemitism. That said, if there are poster children for the proposition that antizionism IS antisemitism, their names are Phil Weiss, Norman Finkelstein and Raz Segal. I can't imagine more self-defeating support for your argument.
So many antisemitic Jews about. Curious, eh?
I believe "self hating Jew" is the more technical term. I don't know about Dr. Marvin, but, yes, I've heard and read that phrase used in recent months more than once.
I called them neither antisemites nor self-hating Jews. I assert only that what they espouse is antisemitic. One needn't be a bigot to disseminate bigotry. To me that's an important distinction, but if it's too nuanced for you, fine, let's say for the sake of argument I called them antisemites. What's so implausible about antisemitic Jews? Do you dismiss the possibility of black racists? Muslim Islamophobes? Women misogynists? Gay homophobes? Because what I find hard to believe is that anyone who's paying attention hasn't seen all of those.
Yes, good examples, all such people exist. But if you're frequently turning up Jews who are, according to your definition, antisemitic, this could also be a sign that your definition of antisemitism is overly broad.
What Steve B. said. No, I don't dismiss any of these ideas. I do dismiss the idea that the trio of people I mentioned are espousing antisemitism. Anti-Zionism, yes. Antisemitism, no.
You say:
"I assert only that what they espouse is antisemitic."
Got any example?
And yes, "self-hating Jew" is the standard insult. I've heard it many times, including that one time someone directed it at my wife.
If you really think that, I can't imagine more self-defeating support for whatever argument you may base on that.
I think I've lost whatever it was this argument was about. but I also feel like I'm not missing much.